Jai Sri Hari! This incident I am going to describe happened nearly three weeks back, and I learnt quite a lesson!
There is a newly built Hare Krishna temple near my residence which I used to visit often and befriended a Prabhu-ji there. Let me name him as C-Prabhu. He is aware of Swamiji and watched a couple of YouTube videos by Swamiji. In fact, at his request, in my recent trip to Sri Badrika Ashram last December, I carried two books given by Prabhu-ji to Swamiji. I wrote about it here.
The Conversation (?):
The conversation happened in the form of a series of WhatsApp chats. Actually, I posted a quote by Swamiji in a particular WhatsApp group, created by C-Prabhu ji. The quote was about not getting hard on oneself. The conversation between me and C-Prabhu-ji happened the following way. I am not editing anything, copied it verbatim.
C-Prabhu: There are people searching for GOD…Prabhupad and Sankardeva says WHO IS THAT GOD👍
Now we hv to follow their footsteps to realise 👍that’s all
Hope you hv read once fully BHAGAVAT GITA As It Is…isn’t?
Me: Well, I am walking on the path slowly. I will be careful. 🙏
For me my Gurudev is supreme. 🙏
C-Prabhu: Gita 4.34
Krishna Himself says so
Tell something more Which is not in Gita
Me: 🙏Prabhu ji, Lord Krishna says one should follow a spiritual path as per his temperament. This is why there are so many lineages in Sanatana Dharma. His holiness Srila Prabhupada’s lineage is one of the many paths. But whatever be the lineage, without Bhakti nothing can be achieved. This is what my Gurudev says. I am following the lineage of Om Swamiji Maharaj. 🙏I will no longer post anything on any groups related to lineage of Srila Prabhupada now onwards. Please forgive me if I hurt any sentiments.
C-Prabhu: Not only lineage
The CONCLUSION of What & Who is God also very important.
What Arjun concluded is what we expected to arrive at.
Krishna is the ONLY Supreme Personality of Godhead.
Not any devatas.
Am i clear?
C-Prabhu: Krishna never told any devata or any mantra
Only onto Him we should surrender
If guru or devatas not taking you to that conclusion…Srimad Bhagavatam says…. SRAMA EVA HI KEVALAM
Me: Prabhu ji, my sincere request to you. Please don’t make any judgment about Om Swamiji Maharaj based on comments or forwards made by a beginner, a very ignorant person like me. Kindly please read His memoir, ‘If truth be told’, which I brought for you. It would be a great injustice to our sages if we make judgments without knowing them. Please do read His memoir along with the other book. I pray to Lord Krishna, that someday you get an opportunity to meet Swamiji. Thank you so much for your kindness! Jai Sri Hari! Hare Krishna! 🙏
C-Prabhu: I am waiting for your reply still
Me: I am ignorant. I am not capable enough to understand deep meanings. Only thing I know is that I love my Gurudev and Sri Hari! 🙏
C-Prabhu: I am just asking simple query that Hv u read Bhagavat gita??
Its for all human being given by Sri Hari Himself
Why dont you make one attempt
How long u claim yourself beginner
Me: I have gone through all the discourses by Swamiji on Bhagavad Gita.
C-Prabhu: Good…tell me where Krishna tell according to temperament one can choose god and worship? Where its mentioned about multiple God?
Where its mentioned Othar than KRISHNA someone else as God?
mam ekam Saranam vraja
aham tvam sarva-papebhyo
moksayisyami mä sucah
Abandon all varieties of religion and
just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver
you from all sinful reactions. Do not
C-Prabhu: Isn’t clear in this 👆sloka crystal clearly telling whom to surrender?? [18.66]
Me: Sri Hari and Lord Krishna is the same!
C-Prabhu: Of course
This is the conclusion…u accept this?
Then y Om swami ji is promoting SHIV JI, DURGA MA, GANESH PUJA all? isn’t dilution???
And Sri hari himself saying NOT to worship any demigods…can you tell me the exact gita sloka?
Sorry for asking Quiz
But i feel necessary…
Me: There is something called Ishta Devata. Each person has a Ista Devata. Your Ista can lead you to supreme Lord. This is my understanding. And Sri Hari never says not to worship others, as He resides everywhere. This is where issues of temperament come as per Sanatana Dharma.
Me: Even in Mahabharata Lord Krishna asked Pandavas to worship Goddess Durga. Same happened in Ramayana where Sri Ram worshipped Goddess Durga. So, I think things are pretty deep. 🙏
C-Prabhu: These all clarified by Prabhupad ji very well and defeated…problem is u are not hearing any one of his lecture😞😀
And Krishna Ji lifted Govardhan for this mentality and teached lesson to His own father and Indra…hope u know the lila that Nanda maharaj planning to workshop devata Indra who is incharge of Rains…
Me: Why there are so many temples in Sadhana App, Swamiji answers Himself in it’s launch👇:
I heared that day itself fyi
WHERE IS THE ANSWER WHAT I ASKED U??
He is telling that he is not going to tell which is better than others…which ever path/devata/mantra you like ..one can can choose in this app
So he himself not clear what is Supreme !!
Thats y i request you to read atleast once BHAGAVAT GITA once
Is that so difficult for u??
Now u understood what is the danger of following our MIND…It conditions u…and addicts you not open even TRUTH comes in front of you
We will discuss after you read once
Krishna in gita 7.20👇
tais tair hṛta-jñānāḥ
taṁ taṁ niyamam āsthāya
prakṛtyā niyatāḥ svayā
Those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures.
Those who are freed from all material contaminations surrender unto the Supreme Lord and engage in His devotional service. As long as the material contamination is not completely washed off, they are by nature nondevotees. But even those who have material desires and who resort to the Supreme Lord are not so much attracted by external nature; because of approaching the right goal, they soon become free from all material lust. In the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam it is recommended that whether one is a pure devotee and is free from all material desires, or is full of material desires, or desires liberation from material contamination, he should in all cases surrender to Vāsudeva and worship Him. As stated in the Bhāgavatam (2.3.10):
akāmaḥ sarva-kāmo vā
yajeta puruṣaṁ param
Less intelligent people who have lost their spiritual sense take shelter of demigods for immediate fulfillment of material desires. Generally, such people do not go to the Supreme Personality of Godhead, because they are in the lower modes of nature (ignorance and passion) and therefore worship various demigods. Following the rules and regulations of worship, they are satisfied. The worshipers of demigods are motivated by small desires and do not know how to reach the supreme goal, but a devotee of the Supreme Lord is not misguided. Because in Vedic literature there are recommendations for worshiping different gods for different purposes (e.g., a diseased man is recommended to worship the sun), those who are not devotees of the Lord think that for certain purposes demigods are better than the Supreme Lord. But a pure devotee knows that the Supreme Lord Kṛṣṇa is the master of all. In the Caitanya-caritāmṛta (Ādi 5.142) it is said, ekale īśvara kṛṣṇa, āra saba bhṛtya: only the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Kṛṣṇa, is master, and all others are servants. Therefore a pure devotee never goes to demigods for satisfaction of his material needs. He depends on the Supreme Lord. And the pure devotee is satisfied with whatever He gives.
Please follow your path Prabhu ji! You have neither met my Gurudev nor you have read His memoir. Swamiji always says ‘discover your own path’. One needs to do rigorous tapas, whether that is chanting or meditation, to realise the Supreme. Thinking that one’s spiritual path is superior than the others is sheer ignorance. Experiential knowledge is far superior than bookish knowledge. I never want anything material from the Divine. I only pray for pure devotion and love towards my Gurudev and Sri Hari. Prabhu ji, I have already surrendered to my Gurudev, perhaps the way Srila Prabhupada ji surrendered to his Guru. Thank you so much for the engaging chats. I am very clear about my path. As I told you, I explored various paths in the last 20 years and finally I found my Guru in Swamiji. I shall try to do my best to walk the path. I am sure the siddha in my lineage will help me. Intellectual arguments no longer inspires me. I am after real experience now; bookish knowledge no longer appeals me. Please forgive me for my ignorance, I am not well read like you. I only know that Swamiji is my Guru, and it’s my Dharma to follow Him. He is taking care of my spiritual progress. I wish you all the best on your path, Prabhu ji! Jai Sri Hari! Hare Krishna! 🙏
To be continued…
Part II could be read here.